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From: Deepak Chopra 
Sent: 6/6/2018 11:32:09 AM 
To: Jeff Epstein [jeeyacation@gmail.com] 
Subject: Lunch with Deepak I: LSD, Quantum Healing, and Plato I Psychology Today 
Importance: High 
FYI 
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psyched/201806/1unch-deepak-i-lsd-quantum-healing-and-
plato?amp& twitter impression=true  
Lunch with Deepak I: LSD, Quantum 
Healing, and Plato 
A skeptic and a mystic seek common ground. Part one of four. 
Posted Jun 04, 2018 
In March, I attended a debate on the proposition "The more we evolve, the less we need 
God," With Michael Shermer and Heather Berlin for the motion and Deepak Chopra and 
Anoop Kumar against the motion. The next day I published an account titled "Do Not  
Debate Deepak Chopra" (subtitle: "He's not even wrong."). Soon after, Chopra reached out 
to me and invited me to lunch. In April I met him in his office at Deepak Homebase in 
Manhattan, we had lunch downstairs at ABC Kitchen, and returned to his office. This is a 
nearly full transcript of our two-hour conversation. 
This is part 1 of 4. Here are parts 2, and 
Matt: So, I'm curious why you invited me, what you wanted to talk about. 
Deepak: I read your article, "Not Even Wrong." [Laughter.] That's been my label for a long 
time from a lot of people, so I thought I'd give you my perspective on what I think reality is 
and see if we can expand the conversation. 
Matt: So the debate, it seemed like it was ships crossing in the night. The two sides were 
talking about different things and so I think it was clear to___or everyone else had one 
conception about what the debate was going to be about: the usefulness of the idea of God as 
conceived in monotheistic religions. Whereas the two of you were___it seemed like you were 
avoiding that debate and talking about something else. 
Deepak: So let me give you a little background to that. The first time we were invited to the 
debate by the organizers____I didn't know who they were___the topic was, "As we evolve 

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